Newsvine
  • Welcome
  • Help
  • Report Bug
  • Conversation Tracker
  • Your Column
  • Replies
  • Friends
Type Comments Since You Last CheckedArticle Source Last Checked Stop Tracking All Clear Tracking All
Advertise | AdChoices
Log In | Register
Close the Login Panel
Existing users log in below. New users please register for a free account.

New Users:

Existing Users:

E-Mail:
Password:
Forgot Password?
Please enter the e-mail address or domain name you registered with:
E-Mail/Domain:
Back to Login
Log Out
  • Top News
  • Local News
  • World
  • U.S.
  • Sports
  • Politics
  • Tech
  • Entertainment
  • Science
  • Business
  • Health
  • Odd News
  • More
    • Arts
    • Education
    • Environment
    • Fashion
    • History
    • Home & Garden
    • Not News
    • Religion
    • Travel
Visit Acapulco Kevin's column >>

ACAPULCO KEVIN

"Those willing to give up freedom for security deserve neither and will lose both."
Articles Posted: 62  Links Seeded: 112
Member Since: 5/2010  Last Seen: 12/17/2010

What is Newsvine?

Updated continuously by citizens like you, Newsvine is an instant reflection of what the world is talking about at any given moment.

Get a Free Account
Help
Fun Stuff
  • Your Clippings
  • Leaderboard
  • E-Mail Alerts
  • Top of the Vine
  • Newsvine Live
  • Newsvine Archives
  • The Greenhouse
  • Recommended Articles
  • Wall of Vineness
Put a Seed Newsvine link on your own site

Border Patrol agent killed in southern Arizona and the Dream Act

Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:28 PM EST
agent, usa, killed, new-mexico, border-patrol, nogalis, border-bandits
By Acapulco Kevin
Advertise | AdChoices

MSNBC is currently running an article titled: Border Patrol agent killed in southern Arizona

Comments that are being posted are apparently by people who can not read or comprehend the articles content and include:

  • And while the situation along the border gets deadlier everyday, our congress has the audacity to mull over the "Dream (nightmare) Act" to motivate others to come here illegally.
  • Obama, Pelosi, Reid and Holder should face federal charges for this. As we text, congress works on the Dream Act.
  • The Dream Act must not pass. It is not for American citizens and the administration should be ashamed of itself. Those people in Washington don't have a clue.
  • Common sense would tell you that if the borders were closed and the illegals were sent back to wherever then we would not have too worry about the children or the murders because they would no longer exist.

The first paragraph of the article reads:

"NOGALES, Ariz. — A U.S. Border Patrol agent was shot and killed north of the Arizona-Mexico border while trying to catch bandits who target illegal immigrants, the leader of a union representing agents said Wednesday.

Agent Brian A. Terry, 40, was waiting with three other agents in a remote area north of Nogales late Tuesday night when a gun battle with the bandits began, said National Border Patrol Council President T.J. Bonner. No other agents were injured, but one of the suspects was wounded in the shootout."

What people are not reading is that the "Bandits targeting illegal immigrants are on the USA side of the border and are Americans".

Yes ladies and gentlemen, Americans on the US side of the border exploit, rob, kill and terrorize illegal immigrants on the border because the immigrants would be to afraid to file a complaint or see legal help.

There are over 400 comments of racial hate being spewed in the Newsvine comments section of the article and people are screaming about the Dream Act that would give citizenship to College kids who are in the USA by no fault of their own.

The border patrol agent was killed by American citizens, not Mexicans. He was trying to catch US citizens on the US side and was shot by US Citizens that harm illegal immigrants. But the MSNBC didn't make that point very clear.

"Bandits have long roamed border areas, robbing and sexually assaulting illegal immigrants as they cross into the country."

What do you think about that?

  • Enjoy this article? Help vote it up the 'Vine.

Back To Top | Front Page

Published to:

  • Acapulco Kevin's Column, All of Newsvine
  • Groups: Aliens and Law Enforcement, Arizona Viners, Democrats, FactVine, FIRED UP DEMOCRATS!, Free Thinkers, Gut Check America, Heated Debate, No Amnesty, Obama Supporters, ObamaVine, rightwingers, Seeders and Posters w/ Manners, Soapbox, US News and Views
  • Regions: none
  • Public Discussion (23)
Acapulco Kevin

The border patrol agent was killed by American citizens, not Mexicans. He was trying to catch US citizens on the US side and was shot by US Citizens that harm illegal immigrants. But the MSNBC didn't make that point very clear.

"Bandits have long roamed border areas, robbing and sexually assaulting illegal immigrants as they cross into the country."

What do you think about that?

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:29 PM EST
ArizonaBill

Acapulco Kevin,,,,There is No Mention anywhere in the MSNBC Article of those Bandit's being Americans ! The article does mention who they are.

"The border patrol agent was killed by American citizens, not Mexicans."

And you stating that is nothing but Speculation and Inflamitory nothing but pure Dis-Information !

  • 6 votes
#1.1 - Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:14 PM EST
Acapulco Kevin

Actually it is not Disinformation. Perhaps you just don't like anyone that is not white. No where in the article does it say they are Mexicans. Five Americans are being detained and questioned, not illegals. I have been down this road with you before. Every time you see an article about Mexicans you are ready to lock and load.

    #1.2 - Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:17 PM EST
    ArizonaBill

    Kevin you and I both know that the Bandits operating in the Peck Canyon area are in fact Hispanic Gangs, most have crossed the border to try to rob and rape Illegals during their invasion of America. I would believe that some might actually legal US citizens, but some far none that have been caught were white (as you put it) all have been Hispanic ! And most are hoping to get drug Mules, not just Illegals. Not much Money in robbing Illegals !

    Also they are chasing a 5th suspect now, "Police radio chatter Wednesday afternoon said the suspect, last seen heading south on foot from the Peck Canyon area in blue pants and a blue-and-white-striped shirt, had possibly been sighted on the west slope of Atascosa Peak".
    Wonder why his is heading for Mexico if he is an American ???

    • 7 votes
    #1.3 - Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:39 PM EST
    ArizonaBill

    "Authorities have apprehended an illegal immigrant they say fits the description of the a fifth suspect in an overnight gunbattle that killed a Border Patrol agent."

    http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_5b9d6508-085a-11e0-9eec-001cc4c03286.html

    • 3 votes
    #1.4 - Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:56 PM EST
    ArizonaBill

    AcapulcoKevin, Below is a Quote from your comment #1.2 ,,,could you please provide the link that says actually says that.

    "Five Americans are being detained and questioned, not illegals. I have been down this road with you before."

    • 3 votes
    #1.5 - Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:10 PM EST
    Reply
    GraysonS

    These are the rednecks that support FAIR, and its eugenic ambitions.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#2 - Wed Dec 15, 2010 4:09 PM EST
    evilgenius

    I had to look that up GraysonS...LOL.

    • 1 vote
    #2.1 - Wed Dec 15, 2010 4:38 PM EST
    GraysonS

    Sorry to make you see it :)

    • 1 vote
    #2.2 - Wed Dec 15, 2010 4:47 PM EST
    evilgenius

    I'm still wondering what the Foundation for Animals In Risk has to do with this article. I'm kidding... I read the little blurb that comes with the links on Google. I didn't wade into the shallow gene pool to read what the site was about. That was enough for me not too!

    • 1 vote
    #2.3 - Wed Dec 15, 2010 4:50 PM EST
    Reply
    evilgenius

    Excellent article Kevin!

    The border patrol agent was killed by American citizens, not Mexicans.

    and

    There are over 400 comments of racial hate being spewed in the Newsvine comments section of the article and people are screaming about the Dream Act that would give citizenship to College kids who are in the USA by no fault of their own.

    Are points very worth repeating over and over again.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#3 - Wed Dec 15, 2010 4:30 PM EST
    ArizonaBill

    Kevin and evilgenius #3,,,,Nowhere in the msnbc article does it say anything about the banits being Americans. The only person spreading such Dis-Information is Kevin !

    From the actual msnbc article, "Bandits have long roamed border areas, robbing and sexually assaulting illegal immigrants as they cross into the country."

    Sorry no mention of who the Banit's were !

    • 8 votes
    Reply#4 - Wed Dec 15, 2010 4:55 PM EST
    ArizonaBill

    As to the Illegals "Dream Act" which is called the "The Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act"

    It is a Sham as the only "Minors" it would aid are 16 and 17 year old ! The truth is it is meant to aid those that are 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, and 29 years of age.

    Another Truth all of these Illegals have had the chance since they turned 18 to apply for a Student Visa, Green Card or Citizenship,,none have ! Why ?? Only two reason's I can think of is that they are either to Lazy or they believe they can Force America to reward them for their crimes against us. As all of them have committed many crimes other than just crossing the Border Illegally, such as they drive with a fake or stolen license, that is a felony. They work with fake or stolen ID again a felony. Most of these adults have lived a life of crime since they illegally came here, and are not the kind of people we want or need in this Country.

    If they want to be part of this Country, they can come here just like Millions of other Honest, law abiding Immigrants have !

    • 9 votes
    Reply#5 - Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:08 PM EST
    Bdobb

    Hey Arizona!

    I just heard the tragic news on TV about another one of our Border Patrol agents being killed in a shootout. Border Patrol has so far declined to mention the perp's country of origin, but there is speculation that the one perp who managed to escape may be headed "back" accross the Mexican border...Hmmm...I wonder where these murderers are from? Just how many more of our citizens have to die and how much more will our country be bled monetarily through misdirected, undeserved social services perks because of our inept national security gurus?

    • 4 votes
    Reply#6 - Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:57 PM EST
    Acapulco Kevin

    US drug runners are always parked on the border. They wait for immigrants to rob, women and children to rape and sell into prostitution. They aren't Mexicans, they are Americans. Probably from Arizona. I hear the stories every day.

    500 lbs of marijuana seized, 80 Kilos of Cocaine, the list just grows. Not Mexicans. Americans.

    I know you want to believe that all Mexicans are bad and all white guys are good, but it just isn't true.

    • 2 votes
    #6.1 - Wed Dec 15, 2010 7:38 PM EST
    ArizonaBill

    Bdobb,,,Yea, it's come to the point out here that we are realizing there must be a reason for some in the Government to keep fighting against securing the Border. They claim they secure borders around the world in other Counties, funny all they every talk about here is about how they can not secure the American/Mexico border. Makes ya wonder whats up.

    Kevin, you found that link yet to your wild claim in comment #1.2 that,

    "Five Americans are being detained and questioned, not illegals. I have been down this road with you before."

    I gave you my Link in my comment #1.4 to the article that said,

    "Authorities have apprehended an illegal immigrant they say fits the description of the a fifth suspect in an overnight gunbattle that killed a Border Patrol agent."

    http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_5b9d6508-085a-11e0-9eec-001cc4c03286.html

    • 4 votes
    #6.2 - Wed Dec 15, 2010 7:58 PM EST
    Bdobb

    Acapulco Kevin,

    We won't know who these criminals are until that information is released to the public. That doesn't diminish the importance of securing our borders. You think I want to believe that all Mexicans are bad? Why would anyone want that? What good would that do? Some of my favorite times were when I could travel into Baja to camp, fish, and mingle with the very friendly and hospitable locals there, and share a few carona's with them...a beautiful coast and many beautiful people. But now I won't bother to travel to their country because of the criminal element which is rapidly ruining it...and their relationship with the U.S.

    • 5 votes
    #6.3 - Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:02 PM EST
    Reply
    mon glas

    Kevin

    Do some more research on the newer updated articles. T.J. Bonner President of the National Border Patrol Council has stated in an updated article that it was unusual to see the bandits that far north of the border. Emphasis on that far north of the border. Unless these bandits live and operate on the American side right on the border itself, then they are obviously from south of the border. The area that the incident happened was only 18 miles from the border.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#7 - Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:07 PM EST
    Acapulco Kevin

    This is not a satire piece. MSNBC omitted crucial information ~ ethnicity.

    I do not need the burden of proof to run a counter story on their lack of clarification. They left it open for debate and it immediately turned into a hate fest against Mexicans. Poor planning on their part.

    I have presented the other possible scenario which makes more sense to me. When ethnicity information is clarified then I will gladly update this article. This is not written as a News Event, this article is classified as a News Opinion and there is a major difference.

    I do not have to prove anything in an Opinion piece. I just have to be honest with my own opinion. I have been honest in my beliefs.

    I am not AP News ~ I am Acapulco Kevin. Big difference.

    • 3 votes
    #7.1 - Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:18 PM EST
    Reply
    Acapulco Kevin

    Nothing like media spin or omission of facts. Jan Brewer was complaining about how often Border agents are killed, no one is releasing ethnicity and here is an eye opener ~

    Terry is the third agent killed on duty this year. Mark Van Doren was killed in May in an auto accident in Texas, and Michael V. Gallagher was killed by a drunk driver in September on the Tohono O'odham Reservation near Casa Grande.

    Since 1919, 111 Border Patrol agents have died in the line of duty, most in vehicle accidents.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#8 - Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:43 AM EST
    ArizonaBill

    Acaplulco Kevin, there have been 10 killed since 2007, All are listed on the Border Patrol web site as killed in the Line of Duty. Just because and Border Patrol agent is in his car responding to a report of Illegals or chasing them, don't try to spin it that they were not killed in the Line of Duty.

    As to your Theory about the Bandits being American I will guess that has been put to rest. The Mexican wounded in the gun battle that killed the Border Patrol agent was in fact from Mexico.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#9 - Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:24 AM EST
    dnimerick

    Acapulco Kevin, there is no evidence whatsoever that the border bandits are American. I know that in Texas where I live almost all border bandits are Mexican. As far as the dream act is concerned it seems to me that it's just a way t open the door for "comprehensive immigration reform" by the current administration. I am in favor of securing the border first, then we can talk about immigration.

      Reply#10 - Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:52 AM EST
      Johnny Yuma

      And now this:Attorney: detainees in Border Patrol murder are not US citizens

      • 1 vote
      Reply#11 - Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:23 PM EST
      Leave a Comment:
      You're in Easy Mode. If you prefer, you can use XHTML Mode instead.
      You're in XHTML Mode. If you prefer, you can use Easy Mode instead.
      (XHTML tags allowed - a,b,blockquote,br,code,dd,dl,dt,del,em,h2,h3,h4,i,ins,li,ol,p,pre,q,strong,ul)
      Newsvine Privacy Statement
      As a new user, you may notice a few temporary content restrictions. Click here for more info.
      FUN STUFF:
      • Leaderboard |
      • E-Mail Alerts |
      • Top of the Vine |
      • Newsvine Live |
      • Newsvine Archives |
      • The Greenhouse |
      COMPANY STUFF:
      • Code of Honor |
      • Company Info |
      • Contact Us |
      • Jobs |
      • User Agreement |
      • Privacy Policy |
      • About our ads
      LEGAL STUFF:
      • © 2005-2012 Newsvine, Inc. |
      • Newsvine® is a registered trademark of Newsvine, Inc. |
      • Newsvine is a property of msnbc.com