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A Pedophiles Guide to Love and Pleasure? I want to puke! Boycott Amazon!

Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:38 PM EST
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By Acapulco Kevin
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MSNBC has reported that Amazon.Com is selling a Kindle book named, "A pedophiles guide to love and pleasure" written by Phillip R. Grieves 2nd. and people are understandably furious. I have been reading all of the comments and even went to Amazon to see what all of the hype was about. I downloaded the free part of the book and was disgusted, the man says he is not advocating sex with children but wants to help remove the stigma of sex with children.

I was born into a seriously disturbed family, my mother was violent schizophrenic and my father was a sexual predator. Before the age of five I was being beaten by my mother and sexually sodomized by my father. It happened to all of my brothers and sisters, I was the youngest in my family.

My parents divorced when I was 6 years old and while I was not being abused by my father at this time I was being beaten by my mother. At the age of 8 years old my mother said we were going to the beach and I remember the entire day with perfect clarity. We went to a Howard Johnson's and had ice cream and then drove to an uninhabited beach in Florida. There was no one on the beach, the surf was very rough, the clouds hung low in the sky and we were moments from a storm. My mother parked the car and told me to go and play on the beach. The car was running and she filled it with car fumes and killed herself.

When I returned to the car about 30 minutes later the doors were locked and she was dead with her bible at her side opened to the passage of the 23rd Psalm. I waited on the beach in shock for what may have been hours before a woman asked me where my parents were.

After my mother's suicide I was placed in my father's custody and the sexual abuse began within 3 weeks of my mother's death. By the age of 12 I was molested by two other men one was a friend of my father and the other was a school janitor at my school. My father did not question Jerry Smith (The man molesting me) why a 50 year old man had such an interest in a 12 year old boy, he already knew the answer and did not care.

Now you know the story of my life up to the age of 12, really messed up. There was much more tragedy to follow in the ensuing years. I am antisocial, dislike visitors and spend most of my time alone. I have never had a girlfriend for more than a few weeks and have always ended the relationships when they became emotional or invaded my personal space.

Pedophiles destroy lives no matter how someone tries to put a sweet teddy bear spin on the subject. I am in my 40's now and will never have a wife, I will never have children and I will go to my grave alone. This is what the "Man - Boy love" did for my life. It destroyed me from the inside out.

I never became an abuser and do not harbor thoughts of being one. I don't want pedophiles to go to jail, I want them to be executed.

And to Amazon.Com:

While the first amendment protects your author and he has a right to say and write what he want's to say you have the right to deny him an audience. Shame on you for giving him a voice and shame on him for being a sick and perverted individual.

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Acapulco Kevin

I am emotionally distraught now that I have written this article, it has brought up memories that have plagued my sleep for years. there is so much war and hate, violence and ignorance that I can not bring myself to want to be a part of society. I am in Mexico most of the time because I don't know what the hell people are saying most of the time and I really prefer it that way. I can smile and nod and don't give two @!$%#s about what is being said.

People do not need a guide book on how to destroy lives, for many people it just comes naturally.

  • 18 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:46 PM EST
ArizonaBill

Acapulco,,,,I understand what you are saying on this matter. I have an article under pen as I speak about this subject and have decided to move forward on releasing it.

This is something that should be sicking to any sane person, upon reading of this I was filled with anger and hate of how anyone could actually want to or defend the selling of this book. I pray the money they make from this brings their company to it's knees and they will no longer be in business. I to will call for a World wide boycott in my article.

God bless you for speaking out on this ! I to can some what know some of the pain you felt growing up. I'm crying as I write this because maybe it's time for me to speak too. But Im glad you have. Peace brother.

  • 9 votes
#1.1 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:12 PM EST
Acapulco Kevin

Thanks Arizona. It wasn't easy to write. It has been a tough year, I saw a woman get shot in the head back in April and saw 3 kids murdered just a few days ago by drug dealers. Life is bad all over, no one needs a book on how to abuse little kids. People know how to be worthless without instructions.

  • 10 votes
#1.2 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:47 PM EST
ArizonaBill

Just finished my article and posted. Man I wanted to put at the end of it, (in honor of A.K.). I think you know what I mean by that. You really moved me with your story here tonight. Thanks.

  • 6 votes
#1.3 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:52 PM EST
Kshark

Acapulco Kevin--

I'm not going to go all psychologist on you, however this article was not only important for others to read, but it was actually really important for you. Despite you feeling distraught, you have done what others have trouble doing when they have been abused, you actually talked.

Talking about it are the first steps that need to be taken. You've shown strength enough to even write this, don't regret writing it. I'm presuming you have never had real help and possibly don't wish to, just remember it is never too late to.

  • 10 votes
#1.4 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:05 PM EST
Aquilina

Words don't always come easy to me, and it's especially hard to find words right now. So, I'll do my best.

Thank you, Acapulco Kevin, for telling your story. It takes a lot of courage to do that, no matter how it is done.

One of my uncles was a pedophile. I have no clear memory of him molesting me, but plenty of reasons to suspect that he did. He served time in several prisons and was in a mental hospital for sex-related and other offenses. He was one of five children (also including my mother) born to abusive, alcoholic parents, and all five were messed up to some degree. He was clearly the worst. My father detested him, but my mother would let him come to the house while Dad was away. I remember being generally afraid of him, and being startled by the sight of him or the sound of his voice as he entered a room. I was in the bathtub during one of those moments. What the he// was my mother thinking?! These memories go back to at least age five.

The fear turned to hatred as I got older, though I saw less of him as time passed. It didn't help matters that my family was screwed up on both sides. I remember plenty of my childhood, good and bad. There was plenty of bad, and plenty of fear. I never got along well at school because I was very shy and withdrawn. In 1980, my father died of leukemia; I was eleven then. The year after that, my uncle died of stomach cancer; he also had cirrhosis of the liver. Well, good riddance.

I will join in boycotting Amazon until this garbage is removed.

  • 8 votes
#1.5 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:27 AM EST
cookin mama

aquilina on your uncle good riddance to rubbish.

  • 4 votes
#1.6 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:04 AM EST
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Polka14

Pedophiles and those that advocate for their atrocities should be put to death. Pedophilia is a crime against humanity.

  • 7 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:08 PM EST
lauhal

Kevin - I really appreciate you sharing your story. It must have been anguishing for you, so thank you. Your words may inspire others to share...to relieve their burden a bit. Personally, I hope Amazon receives a huge backlash and pulls that garbage immediately.

  • 13 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:27 PM EST
ArizonaBill

I think Kevin, showed some unmeasurable courage in sharing that, and I know it will help others that deal with that same pain.

  • 7 votes
#3.1 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:42 PM EST
LilacDragonfly76

I agree Arizona... unmeasureable courage indeed.

As for the kindle book, while I am one of the first to stand up for first amendment rights, I am finding it hard to believe that something like this has even been published...especially in the form of a "how to" rather than a criminologist or psychological guide to understanding the pedophile as a way to eliminate the threat. I simply don't get it.

Thank you Kevin for sharing your heart wrenching story. I think it is terrible that it has had such an effect on every aspect of your life that you are alone in a world where there really are wonderful people worth knowing and sharing life with... I am sorry he took that from you.

  • 7 votes
#3.2 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:14 PM EST
Acapulco Kevin

@lauhal

Thanks for the comment and kind words.

  • 2 votes
#3.3 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:12 AM EST
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maddad

it is best for my standing with the host site that i remain silent..

clipped to new group: Crime & Justice News

friends req. sent

  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:34 PM EST
PiperGirl

Thank you for your article and for bringing attention to this travesty.

  • 6 votes
Reply#5 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:08 PM EST
James Essayist

AK and Maddad: I have just signed on to my Amazon account and told them off that I will boycott them for this obscene product offering, and that I will do so to others. I said in part that their actions give support to someone whose words advocate illegal activity, and therefore are not protected speech, IMO, and that to sell such items in today's climate is no better than the shielding of Cardinal Law from the prosecution he justly deserves.

  • 5 votes
Reply#6 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:19 PM EST
Levi777

Acapulco Kevin, et al, I too am a survivor of child abuse, and while I have learned much about the evil people do to others, I am also somewhat understanding of the path to healing. It is long, and it is hard, and filled with well-meaning people who just don't understand.

I am a volunteer with an organization that rescues young girls who have been raped and abused by men, usually family members, in the country of Peru. In 2006 the World Health Organization declared Peru to be the country with the worst record for violence towards women in the entire world. Some of these children have suffered the worst kind of abuse repeatedly for many years, even bearing children to their rapist relatives. And for every one we rescue, there are hundreds more...

Kevin, there is a name for what you have described, and many people who have endured what you have, and what these children in Peru have endured, and I myself, have this, and it's called Reactive Attachment Disorder (RAD). Our ability to bond with others....spouses, friends, caretakers, even God...is broken. In Peru, children who act out their RAD are usually medicated. There was a conference for medical professionals in Lima in 2005, key speaker Dr. Nils Rygaard, an international expert on RAD, which was arranged and paid for by the Peruvian government, and was initiated by a letter I wrote to people who wanted to become pen pals to these girls at this home in Arequipa, Peru. Medication doesn't work, it only sedates the acting out child.

Kevin, I am older than you, and as I read your story I found myself nodding in understanding. What happened to you is your story, and my own story has some of the same qualities. When I was 18, God called me and set me free from a LOT and I became a Christian. My troubles were far from over, however, and I made many bad choices, not understanding why I was so broken. At 23, I was sitting in the King County Superior Court in Seattle, Washington, listening to a judge read the information paper concerning a man who was being charged with molesting two little girls. I was working for a bail bondsman at the time. As the judge read the paper, an understanding flooded my mind, and the memory of what my parents did to me came flooding back all in a moment. My mind had created a block to it, and in my numbness, I only had dreams of a burning pain in my groin, and bright, hot lights. I suddenly understood, and I had a nervous breakdown. I understood all the years of fear, the years of wondering what was wrong with me, the years of timidity, and utter lack of any vision of the future. I had affairs in my first marriage, that finally ended them. I seemed to have no conscience, and was unaware of how my actions affected others.

I am miles down the road from that wildly dysfunctional man. It's been a LOT of choices, and praying, and struggling to be open and trusting, even when I, through lack of understanding, was inappropriate and made bad choices in my openness and trust. I got hurt, and caused a lot of hurt. But I am so glad for my relationship with God. He is proactive, and He sought me out, and He carried me and clung to me when I could not cling to Him. You know that "Footprints" thing, where the author says, " I dreamed I was walking along a beach...." It's real! He provided me with a wife, my second, who understood all of this even before I did, and she has been the very definition of patience and unconditional love. Wildly beautiful and appealing and satisfying in every way, I never strayed from her, or repeated the sorrows of my first marriage.

Kevin, RAD is healed only by patience and unconditional love. I know there are those that say that if God was good, or even real, He would have stopped the abuse. I understand why He did not, but believe me when I say there are good reasons, and it ultimately, beyond our short lives ultimately, for our good. I know that's wildly crazy, and yet, it's true. Kevin, He's as close as a prayer. You don't have to be clean. You don't have to be healed. You don't have to crawl to the Lourdes on your knees. All you have to do is talk to Him. But make sure you are alone in case He shows up. If we had to climb up to Him, and reach Him, who could ever find Him? He comes to us, and Kevin, He knows. He knows it all, and yet it's okay that He knows. There's no shame.

Kevin, the evil in the people who hurt us tried to destroy us, and the best revenge we can have is to live a good life, and to show that evil that it DID NOT WIN. I will pray for you, Kevin. You are not a throw-away, or a wasted life. You are of great value, if you will let Him, God will begin the healing process in you.

Bless you, Kevin.

  • 12 votes
Reply#7 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:22 PM EST
King Ralph

 Instead of continuing to be tortured by your past you should seek professional help.

    Reply#8 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:45 PM EST
    rock n roller

    What a kind, warm hearted man you are "King Ralph"....she said sarcasticaly.

    • 2 votes
    #8.1 - Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:38 PM EST
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    James Acuna

    A.Kevin - Thanks very much for sharing your story, that took courage as I am sure it was very difficult. As others here have expressed, please take the time to take care of yourself and seek assistance. You still have many good years ahead of you, and with the right support, you just may be able to turn this thing around. I wish you well.

    Back O.T. -- This is just disgusting. Just finished canceling my Amazon prime membership and also sent a letter to Mr. Bezos, explaining that I would no longer buy anything from Amazon unless they clean house.

    Un-flippin-believable ...

    • 3 votes
    Reply#9 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:41 AM EST
    chefaz-1319563

    Hi Kevin. I am so sorry for all of the sorrow in your life - then and now. Thank you for the courage you have to not only tell your story here but to let viners in general know about it from the amazon piece. I'd like you to know that I will no longer do business with amazon regardless of whether it is pulled or not. The fact that it was there in the first place is enough for me. I despise those that willingly harm children and, quite frankly, if I was able to quit my job and not have to take care of my husband, have thought about starting a group like MADD to sit in on courtroom proceedings of child abusers and pedo monsters, just like MADD did for drunk drivers. Look at how far they have come and what they have accomplished.

    I hope that you take Levi777's post to heart. It's true. Healing is available to you.

    I also hope that you go back and repost your comment in 1.2. People do know how to be worthless without instructions. Simple, but true and profound.

    Kevin, GOD Bless you. You had the courage to write this. May your efforts to make a difference continue.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#10 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:10 AM EST
    samenslow

    The book should not be banned or pulled from Amazon. Every parent should read it and discuss the content with their children. To ban the book, is to once again push the topic under the rug, making its subject too "dirty" to be discussed in "polite" society. Knowledge is a key to protecting our children from those who wish to cause them harm.

    I read the posts about those feeling shame at what was done to them. They should not feel shame. They did nothing wrong, but, in many cases, the "shame" prevents the reporting of these crimes and the healing process from starting.

    In NO way do I agree with the content of this book;however, there are many who do. Yes, punish those who engage in this activity, but take advantage of this opportunity to teach your children and prevent the sexual predators from finding another victim.

      Reply#11 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:23 AM EST
      chefaz-1319563

      samenslow, I must disagree with this totally. My parents had no trouble discussing these issues with us many years ago and they managed to do it without a book. I do not see the opportunity here for a parent to school their children by reading a book that gives tips on how best to molest them.

      This is nothing but a vehicle to fuel the ugly lust of the monsters who rob children of their lives. I have not read it nor do I desire to read it but I would imagine there are suggestions or advice on how to ensnare the prey or how to intimidate the victim into going along with their twisted agendas. I don't need a manual to know how to help prevent a nightmare like this from occurring. If you need instruction, all anyone has to do is turn on the TV, read a newspaper or tune in to any outlet here on the net. There seems to be no shortage of these events for the media to broadcast to the public. There are plenty of trained professionals that can give added advice to those desiring it, such as psychologists or law enforcement personnel who would gladly guide families into prevention mode.

      This book is not describing a love affair between two consenting adults or even a 20 year old who is dating a 16 year old. This is for adults who are abusing, exploiting and sometimes abducting children who in many cases do not even understand what is happening to them. How many of them wind up dead??? How many wish death upon themselves so that they may be relieved of the burden that they bear??? Should a child even be able to engage in thoughts of death upon themselves or their tormenters??? Should a family have to go through the pain and agony of losing their child because some of some monster??? And to throw fuel on the fire, this "author" goes even further by trying to make money with his little how to guide. I'll be that he had a fine time writing it!!!

      A caring and protective parent can guide their children without the benefit of this so called book. Schools can talk to their classes about the dangers out here. I would do anything that I could to protect a child from these predators. And yes, I support the death penalty for anyone who would forcefully remove the innocence from a child and replace it with the life long turmoil that pedophilia leaves behind.

      • 2 votes
      #11.1 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:54 AM EST
      Levi777

      I cannot imagine any value that can be gained from reading a 'how to' book for child abusers to children. Many of us who were molested as children learned all we need to know about molestation without the help of a book. Issues like sex should not even enter a child's world until they begin to change into a teenager at the absolute earliest, or for girls, when they start menstruating. I consider that even parents who approach their children about issues of sexual relations before they are mature enough to handle them...around 15... to be irresponsible.

      One poster used the words "sexual creature". She is a "sexual creature", and she used it as if it was a status of adulthood everyone should reach. I know this world wants to make sex much more a part of conscious, intentional society and take it out of the privacy of the home. Largely that is the fruit of constant focus on homosexuality. We are so much more than sexual creatures, and on the scale of 1 -10, normal focus on sex is somewhere around 6. Yet many would have us place it firmly at 9 or 10. That is wrong. "I am therefore I have sex".

      Children will learn about sex in due time, and they do NOt have to learn it from their friends, the tv, the computer, or x-rated movies. At least not if the parents have their act together.

      • 1 vote
      #11.2 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 3:40 AM EST
      samenslow

      Far too many parents are upset even talking to their children about sex period. This book is written for child molesters as a "How to book." There is never any disadvantage in understanding the enemy, the tricks used, etc. They do work to get around parents who care and love their children. We are not all so "street smart", especially those whose lives have never been affected by this problem.

      Recent cases have shown that child molesters are often those "who would never do such a thing."

      As far as waiting until a child is 15 to openly discuss sex is wrong. How can one do this when there are organizations with the motto, "By eight it is too late"? Perhaps I was fortunate to have been raised by a mother who was a biologist. Matters of a sexual nature, youthful questions, etc. were discussed quite openly at all ages. Sex was a part of life, not a deep dirty subject. However, far too many parents freak out at the idea of discussing "the birds and the bees" with their children. This causes the children to be either ashamed or afraid to talk to their parents - even, in some cases, to report inappropriate behavior because, "Mommy will freak out!"

        #11.3 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:35 AM EST
        Levi777

        samenslow, I get what you're saying. I fully advocate "the birds and the bees" talk needs to be a well thought out, properly approaced topic of learning in every child's life. At 15, okay. At 8 I don't know. It all depends on the maturity level of the child. At eight, perhaps it's just the mechanics of where baby comes from. At 15, the emtional attachment, love, marriage, social responsibility.

        This ebook, a Pedophile's Guide is unsuitable for such conversations, or training. I wish it had never been written, and forever there will be a stain on Amazon for allowing it.

        • 3 votes
        #11.4 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:17 PM EST
        James Essayist

        Agreed Levi - samenslow has the right idea in knowing how the deves work to get into kids' pants, but reading such a book to kids would be child abuse, and serve no purpose except to perhaps traumatize the kid away from sex entirely.

        Know the enemy? Yes. Tell the kids everything? Definitely TMI. Just keep your kids close, or know just where and with whom they will be. Tell them to report anyone trying anything wrong-and what things are wrong-, how to tell what things they might hear that aren't true and might be dangerous, and to fight back by any means if someone tries to grab them. That is all they need to know at such ages as are most often victimized.

        • 3 votes
        #11.5 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:47 PM EST
        cookin mama

        just about a week ago another man got caught raping a 9 year old girl. last winter it was a 4 year old and because the pieces of garbage did not want to plead guilty even though he was caught in the act. the child had to testify.

        makes me sick and my blood boil.

        for all of you that have relive this night mare because of this story these are for you.

        ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((VICTIMS)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

        • 4 votes
        #11.6 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 6:03 PM EST
        James Essayist

        If I caught someone in the act, he'd have to be jailed in the urology ward 'cause he'd be missing the means to ever do it again. (The cops would have his weapon in a jar of formaldehyde in the evidence locker.) I can't imagine the horror for a young child to have to relive such an experience in court. (Considering what pricks defense attorneys are to adult rape victims, I will not think right now about the kind of badgering they could achieve against a grade school girl.)

        • 3 votes
        #11.7 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 9:26 PM EST
        Kori

        11.7: Make it three jars in the locker - 1) the 'weapon' jar, 2) a jar for the left hand, 3) another for the right hand. Never to touch inappropriately again. No mercy.

        • 3 votes
        #11.8 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:30 PM EST
        James Essayist

        Indeed; a full set is worth more to society.

        • 2 votes
        #11.9 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:34 PM EST
        Levi777

        One of the greatest tools we have ever devised for rescuing children is the Amber Alert. I wonder if there's a way that cell phone companies would willingly set up a database so that Amber alerts could be sent to every cell phone in a target area. I know even hardened gangstas in the hood would intervene if someone snatched a young child. There are certain lines you do not cross, and this is one of them.

        One facet of this whole melodrama has made me beam with pride, even as I smile through the tears. There was such an outrcy against Amazon, and perhaps we as a people were more together on this than we are on the day we vote for a President. We made Amazon listen, even if it was only the sake of money withheld that caught their attention. They may never recover fully, and now I understand that this has emboldened and allowed child advocate organizations that fight against the trafficking of photos and videos of young children in compromising positions and actions to take the fight to Amazon, which also sells such photos and videos. I know you cannot legislate morality, but child abuse goes way beyond morality issues. Perhaps laws can be enacted that require companies to clearly display their criteria for monitoring such material, and their committment to not make it available. Perhaps it can be like a Better Business Bureau emblem on their website. To get the Family Safe Certification (or some such term) they would have to adhere to a set of rules for what may be available for sale.

        Me, I didn't even know Amazon sold such things, but I now understand. And I'll pay better attention.

        • 2 votes
        #11.10 - Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:42 AM EST
        samenslow

        I am not suggesting the book be read to children. I am suggesting that this book and others on the subject be read by parents to increase their knowledge. Knowledge is power.

        I am against all forms of censorship and do not believe Amazon should pull the book. If for no other reason we will get a count of how many people order it. To pull the book is to pretend the problem is gone, put back into the closet that hides our secrets.

        Americans have a strange set of attitudes towards sex. We are exposed to it all the time. Sex sells. We pretend a degree of sophistication we do not have when it comes to our family. We, perhaps fortunately, forget our young experimentations and longings. Our children would never do those things. But children of loving, caring parents are doing it or, at least, thinking about it. Often the hang ups on discussing sexual matters with our children belong to the parents - not the children who learn not to bring up certain subjects with their parents. Puberty is also a time when kids start to separate themselves from their parents and try to establish their own identity (remember when your kids always wanted to be with mommy and daddy, but changed to not wanting to be seen with you).

        I have read many of the accounts of victims here. Are you surprised there are so many? You shouldn't be. I wonder how much our ignorance of the subject contributes to the trauma felt by the victims. "You must feel sooo dirty and impure now that this happened to you." "You must feel like you are not a man now." Why? The victims did nothing wrong, but we project shame on the victims. It becomes a secret, a shame rather than a bad experience.

        Sexual abuse of children is a terrible thing. But there is a story today of a 12 year old hit man in Mexico. Children in Africa are taught to kill. They have their limbs chopped off and are sold into slavery. They starve in the streets. We have the same type of problems here. We are not as kind to our children as we pretend to be.

        • 1 vote
        #11.11 - Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:44 AM EST
        James Essayist

        If for no other reason we will get a count of how many people order it.

        kamenslow - Good point; set bait to catch the rats. Sorry I misread the pronouns or something re who should read/hear the book. Parents who read it, if their stomachs will allow, will indeed know more about how these creeps work, and maybe how to spot them, as well as having perhaps a better grasp of how to warn their kids.

        The enslavement of women and children (and men) continues on every continent. (Antarctica not counted here.) A good book on the subject is Kevin Bale's Disposable People. I'd say find it on amazon, but let's make it Barnes & Noble or Borders, or ask your favorite real-brick-and-glass bookseller.

        • 1 vote
        #11.12 - Sat Nov 13, 2010 7:25 PM EST
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        Sydney - 5

        Acapulco Kevin, What a brave soul you are to share your story with us. That couldn't have been an easy thing to do. Many abuse victims never share their story with anyone. Maybe others will be more inclined to share their similar stories in the future after reading your story.

        What happened to you should never happen to any child. My heart goes out to you. I do agree with the others. There is help for child abuse victims. It can be very effective.

        I hate child molesters and think they have no business walking among us. Ever.

        As for Amazon, I'm a strong supporter of the First Amendment. However, Amazon is under absolutely no obligation to carry this or any other book. They made a choice, a disgusting, despicable, and outrageous one.

        They won't be getting any of my business, and they'll be hearing from me to that effect.

        My very best to you, Acapulco Kevin.

        • 5 votes
        Reply#12 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:25 AM EST
        Meg-2641774

        I understand people's outrage with the book. I am also sorry to hear your story. But I honestly do not think this book is advocating rape of molestation. I do not believe this book is advocating harm to children of any sorts. I think by taking away some of the stigma of sex in general is healthier for children. Not in a way that they are willing to do it but in a way where they are not afraid of it.

        I recall being young and seeing glimpses of a CSI type show depciting a child beign forced into sex. I was so afraid of that, thinking that I would be at fault if that happened, but necessarily afraid of the act of sex itself. As a young girl who was still depicted as always being the victim to something, I had problems accepting that I was a sexual being like everyone else. The idea that sex is dirty is so ingrained in our minds that it carries over to adult hood. This is in general very unhealthy. I don't think children need to be terrified of something to not do it. I don't think a child would consent even if it weren't told of all the "horrors" of sex.

        The mere mention of pedophilia drives people into an angry rage. When what we should be looking for are rapsists. Rapists rape for control, not on the whim of sexual desire. Any sexual correlation is merely for power. A pedophile, word simply meaning "love of children", seek to harm NO child. Whether or not a rapist is a pedophile is unimportant, a mentally stable individual does not rape. A mentally unstable person will rape anything it thinks it can control. We need to be recognizing the signs of that rather than pointing figners to something that is actually an oreintation.

          Reply#13 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:36 AM EST
          Levi777

          Meg, I am sorry you feel the way you do, and I cannot let your comment go by without letting you know that I feel your position is most reprehensible. Please consider that when a child is subjected to the physical assault of molestation and rape, they are forced to consider issues far beyond their years, and it is found that people who are deprived of their childhoods eventually seek to live it out in their adult years.

          Meg, you confess to feeling conflict at the depiction of a child being forced into sex on a tv show. And well you should have felt conflict. Fox is responsible for leading the way into the decline of morality on television, but that's another issue. It appears you let television define what is normal and healthy and that is a HUGE problem in our society. That happened to me as well, and it manifested itself by having an unreal worldview. It was quite a rude awakening when all did not work out as seen on television.

          Meg, I heartily encourage you to seek out counseling, or at least discuss these views with a reputable counselor. The word "Pedophilia" is defined by it's societal use, and just as "antisemite" as "discriminatory views against Jews" is actually a misnomer, so is "Pedophilia", except that it IS defined by society. Also, rape of a child does not carry the same issues of control and power as does the rape of an adult, in that due to the imbalance of physical attributes...size, strength, intellect... control and power can be assumed. And it is about satisfying perverted and abnormal desires. Period.

          What your comment does is tell every survivor of child abuse that they should not feel the way they do, and that the person who abused them wasn't actually trying to hurt them, and they need to just get over it and accept their sexuality. That is unkind and even abusive. But don't believe me. Please go get a second opinion.

          • 7 votes
          #13.1 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:09 PM EST
          Reply
          oneangrywoman

          What a heart wrenching story! I too have been sexually abused as a child, although not to as great an extent as you have been, and have had problems with maintaining relationships, or I enter an abusive one. As a child I acted out in many ways- abusing alcohol, being violent, and running away from home. I voluntary went into a home for mentally ill children, because it was a better situation than at home. I have been in therapy my entire life for severe chronic depression and am just now gaining strength and trust. I am in my 50's now, and have more hope than I did when I was young, although I still sink into isolation. Acapulco Kevin there is hope although the scars will be there forever, and it will be a lifelong struggle. I suggest that you get therapy. It will take a long time, but it does work when you find the right therapist, especially one who has worked with victims of child abuse. Do not give up.

          • 4 votes
          Reply#14 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:18 AM EST
          ArizonaBill

          Kevin,,,

          Just wanted to make sure and let you know that I personally felt that you were a huge motivator in getting people to act on this book last night with your above true story. You showed a great deal of courage in sharing that with us, and God only knows how many Victims you may a helped speak out now.

          I hope that I get to see that last Vine added to your "Vineacity" as a result of your courage and sacrifice!

          A post from my article this morning,,,"Checking this morning, I now find that Amazon.com has again seemed to have pulled this book from it's shelves and it appears no longer for sale, as the Price and the photo of the book are no longer on the web page.

          But the information and Author still remain, the below was copied from their web site;

          "The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure" - Kindle Edition - Kindle eBook (Oct. 28, 2010) by Phillip R Greaves 2nd

          It would be more believeable if Amazon.com would release a statement saying they will no longer carry this book ! I actually think that would be the best thing for their company right now in light of their attempt to fool us last night."

          • 6 votes
          Reply#15 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:25 AM EST
          James Essayist

          Amen.

          • 1 vote
          #15.1 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:23 PM EST
          cookin mama

          FYI there are some big names that use amazon to advertise there products also.

          • 1 vote
          #15.2 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:34 PM EST
          James Essayist

          Might be a good idea to let them know what a cuckoo's nest they're shilling their wares in.

          Thanks, cooking mama.

          • 1 vote
          #15.3 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:37 PM EST
          Acapulco Kevin

          Did you see the new buzz? You can buy videos on Amazon with naked kids. it is very graphic stuff. You can click my name and it is the top article.

          • 1 vote
          #15.4 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:38 PM EST
          cookin mama

          kevin then that needs to be reported the the feds.

          • 1 vote
          #15.5 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:59 PM EST
          Sydney - 5

          OMG! I just saw the pic on Kevin's page. How the Hell is this even possible???

          cm, You're right. They do need to be reported.

          • 2 votes
          #15.6 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:05 AM EST
          Reply
          Campbellrivermike

          Bless you A Kevin and A Bill! I empathize with all of you but will never truly understand what you have been through or how you feel now. Bravery is such a small word for what I feel you have accomplished here today, but it is the highest form of bravery I can imagine.

          I am appalled that such a book could ever see the light of day and without your courage to speak up I might never have known of its existence. I too am penning a novel I had hoped to market here on Amazon, but in light of this, I too will be boycotting Amazon in perpetuity.

          I am profoundly horrified!

          Thank you from all decent people everywhere. Children are a treasure and a Divine gift and to treat even a single one of them in any other fashion is a crime of cataclysmic proportions. Keep speaking out! Your words are more powerful than you will ever imagine.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#16 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:13 AM EST
          Acapulco Kevin

          Thanks for the comments to all of you who have shared your stories and experiences. Thank you ArizonaBill for the nomination for a random act of vineness. I did not sleep good last night, I had some really bad nightmares and though bad sleep has become my norm last night was especially difficult. While I received comments from several people, several hundred people have read this article and it is not the time to forget. Talking about my experiences is very difficult, more than I can ever explain or convey in words. I don't want people to live my life, it is lonely and detached.

          I am going to continue sharing my life experiences in more articles and perhaps I will write a book from the perspective of a victim. Of the hundreds that read this article I am certain many of them are also broken.

          Thanks again for sharing.

          • 3 votes
          Reply#17 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:07 AM EST
          Acapulco Kevin

          I will also start a new group for survivors of incest and pedophiles and parental child abuse. Anyone interested in being a part of this group can send me an email. Thanks.

          • 4 votes
          #17.1 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:09 AM EST
          cookin mama

          kevin i had to take a moment to compose myself it is hard to write with tears in your eyes. why did know one step in and rescue you. (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((KEVIN)))))))))))))))))))))))))

          • 4 votes
          #17.2 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:32 AM EST
          Aquilina

          Kevin: I think it may be a good idea to write a book about what you've been through. It may be therapeutic for you and also help others. Just take it slow. I started writing about my life some time ago, but I keep putting it on the back burner. A lot of other bad things happened besides what I described, and sometimes writing or even thinking about it gets overwhelming.

          Starting a group is definitely a good idea. I want to be part of it.

          Cookin Mama: Thanks for your comment.

          • 2 votes
          #17.3 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:04 PM EST
          Levi777

          Cookin mama, these things are neccesarily done in the dark, and those who walk in light do not even think about them, or think to consider what goes on in the dark. That child in school diagnosed with ADD, is it really ADD? So they are medicated. Here's a link:

          http://www.reactiveattachmentdisordertreatment.com/childattachchecklist.pdf

          When I found this list, I recognized that I, in my life, had matched 18 of the 20. I am far, far down the road to healing, thanks be to Jesus Christ in my life, but still have so far to go.

          Let us be wise! It does indeed take a village to raise a child! Question! Inquire! Look around you! See what's there to be seen! Someone reported Elizabeth Smart walking down the road with her abductors, and she was rescued. But years earlier there was a police detective that DID NOT PURSUE the inquiry and did not consider probable cause! And the kidnapping and abuse carried on for much longer!

          You know, mama, and oneangrywoman, I find this dynamic at play. When a child is subjected to abuse, their little personalities fracture, and an untrue worldview is formed. I'm a volunteer that rescues young girls from nightmares unimmaginable in a third world country, so this is how I know what I know. Reactive Attachment Disorder ( and onengrywoman, I'll wager this is what bedevils you to this day) happens when a child, usually between the ages of birth and three years old, suffers deprivation, and/or abuse. What happens is the child's ability to bond with others...spouses, siblings, friends, caregivers, and ultimately, God...is broken. Bonds that are formed most usually are expressed with inappropriate touching, sexual activity, violence, and bad behavior.

          The dynamic I have found is that the child adopts a faulty world view. Again, I'm speaking of children, not adults. It is absolutely neccesary in the healing environment for children that they are introduced to that they interact with adults who love them unconditionally. Especially, if they are girls, under strict controls and guidance they must have interraction with mature, healthy men to the end that they learn that those who abused them are the aberration, and NOT the norm. And the more, the better. And I am one such man for these children in Peru. These children are coming to understand that they are valued, not because of what they can give, or their physiology, or what they can do, but because they exist. And as much as we are able in this economical downturn, we are trying hard to give them a childhood they wouldn't otherwise have. So there's school, playtime, homework, treats, and special days like birthdays, Christmas, Easter, and so on. But for every one we rescue, there are hundreds more.

          Reactive Attachment Disorder indeed bedevils a person their who life, but there is healing. The first step is to recognize the dysfunction.

          • 1 vote
          #17.4 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:43 PM EST
          Reply
          Kori

          Kevin, thank you for having the courage to share your story and in doing so, I hope it is a continuation of healing to your damaged heart, mind, and soul. I also hope your story inspires others who were childhood victims to seek healing for themselves. A wound does not heal if it's hidden away under layers of pain and fear. The layers must be removed, one by one, with careful and soothing care. I don't know if you have or if you can, but seek professional guidance, a safe place to bring personal issues to the forefront for discussion, examination and direction on how best to heal and be free from destructive childhood experiences and their lifelong reprecussions.

          I can relate to your detachment from society and people - that is how we survive. If I did not have to go to work every day, I could easily become a recluse. In hiding myself away (tho not necessarily consciously or intentionally), from people who love to hate and care less about the harm they inflict, I also hide myself away from those who, at the core of their souls, are good, caring people and only seek to bring good things to others. They take courgeous stands against the evil that you and others have experienced in childhood. Their friendship and love and laughter can be a soothing balm. Surround yourself with these types of people. (I should heed my own advice!) Levi777 @ #7 offers wise advice as well.

          Good luck. FR sent, and I'd be interested in joining your group.

          • 5 votes
          Reply#18 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:51 PM EST
          Acapulco Kevin

          Do you know why I write on Newsvine? It is all I have. I live in Mexico, my Spanish sucks and I have never been happier. Here on the vine I can click to the next page or just ignore. I can communicate what is on my mind with anonymity. I wanted to quit communicating with people and being in a land with Spanish speaking people afforded me that chance, to survive without verbal conflict.

          • 3 votes
          #18.1 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:05 PM EST
          Aquilina

          Kori: What you said is so true, and I can especially relate to the second paragraph. I have had depression for years, and over the last two years it has greatly worsened. I have lost interest in so many things I used to enjoy. I recently went back to therapy, and I am now on a med for major depression. My symptoms fit the description for that diagnosis to a "T." I spend most of my personal time alone. Sometimes I don't want to go to work, but I know it helps me survive. I get along well there, and I have several friends there but I'm not close to any of them. I am 41 years old...yet all these years later I still startle easily and get nervous when anyone is behind me. I just don't deal well with surprises.

          Though reading Kevin's and others' stories brings tears to my eyes, it helps remind me that I am not alone. None of us are alone. Starting a group is a great idea because it will help us to help others and ourselves as well.

          • 2 votes
          #18.2 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:23 PM EST
          Kori

          Kevin: In my heart of hearts, I understand why you're in Mexico. Several years ago I told my sister that if I had the resources and the opportunity, I would find a nice, quiet, remote place to live by myself away from everyone and everything in life. As long as it had the basic necessities and the internet, I'd be perfectly content. Oddly enough, that's not who I really am. I was (and still am) responding to years of trying to make an emotionally, physically abusive relationship work, along with being in an emotionally difficult (almost abusive) work environment. I wanted to run for the hills and get away from people who are mean, self-centered, self-righteous and without one caring heartbeat. I still do, but my responsibilities prevent me from fulfilling that wish. When we can't have life as we want it, we have to make do with life as it is until an opportunity for change comes about.

          Keep up posted on how your doing. Take good care of yourself. :-)

          • 3 votes
          #18.3 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:32 PM EST
          Kori

          Aquilina @ 17.2: Well said. Wow! You understand. Except for work and a couple of trips to fulfill family obligations, I have locked myself away from the outside world for the past couple of years. Thinking of going to a public activity somewhere sends me into a panic. There was a Harley get together with a bbq and music for 9-11 and biker veterans. I wanted to go so bad but at the last minute, I chickened out. The thought of walking alone among crowds of people sent me into a panic.

          I don't contact anyone, hate jabbering on the phone, and even my outbound emails have died off. My limited connections with family and friends is through text messages and the internet. I know that's not healthy, it's not really who I am, but in the later stages of life I am tired of all the fakeness of life, all the bullsh one gets from other people. I just want to live quietly and peacefully and sanely. My next step is to get a thorough physical and see a counselor to help me straighten out my internal dialog. I just need to get off of Newsvine and make the appt. lol!! Thanks for taking the time to share your experience.

          • 2 votes
          #18.4 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:45 PM EST
          Acapulco Kevin

          @Kori

          Except for work and a couple of trips to fulfill family obligations, I have locked myself away from the outside world for the past couple of years. Thinking of going to a public activity somewhere sends me into a panic.

          I have the same issues. I feel intense fear of being in public. I can't explain it, it is not as if I am going to be jumped by an angry mob but the fear is intense and I am very agitated in public.

          I go to the store, I go to an occasional movie but mostly I stay put in my home. My work career was very uncomfortable, too many corporate @!$%# personalities to deal with and I am a perfectionist.

          I too just want to live quietly and peacefully and eventually die gracefully.

          • 1 vote
          #18.5 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:01 PM EST
          cookin mama

          kori please make that appt. and keep it.

          • 2 votes
          #18.6 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:07 PM EST
          Kori

          Thanks, mama. Will research the needed info today.

          • 1 vote
          #18.7 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:37 PM EST
          Reply
          Acapulco Kevin

          It appears my stories are not making it to the Newsvine Writers Column now for whatever reason. Perhaps this is just to emotionally charged for some readers but I have continued this story in a new article:

          http://acapulco-kevin.newsvine.com/_news/2010/11/11/5449266-amazon-dumps-pedophiles-guide-but-the-damage-has-been-done-and-the-pain-is-intense

            Reply#19 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:15 PM EST
            Levi777

            Indeed, maybe this whole thing happened so the issue could be raised. Not that it was the intent of this Greaves person, who wrote the Pedophile Guide book, but often beneficial and detrimental events are unintentional. We've been fixated on other topics for so long, perhaps it's time we as a nation, as a world, need to fixate on this evil of child abuse.

            • 3 votes
            #19.1 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:10 PM EST
            Reply
            Elaine-1503791

            Acapulco Kevin, thank you for writing your story. It is important for your healing and for others to know the damage that pedophiles do to children's lives.

            My boyfriend is a victim of childhood sexual abuse by a group of pedophiles. He is an insomniac and has never slept for more than an hour at a time his entire life. I have witnessed his nightmares, shaking, whimpering and crying in his sleep, and then jolting awake in a panic. He is 57 years old. If I could exact justice on those people I would but I know I can't. If there is a special place in hell for evil, that's where they'll be when they leave this earth.

            • 5 votes
            Reply#20 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:14 PM EST
            Acapulco Kevin

            I have the same sleeping disturbances. I always feel like I woke up from hell. Your boyfriend is waking up like that and is feeling like he was near death, your heart skips beats and you are in a panic. I can't stand it but the only alternative is to use psychotropic drugs and that is not what I need. Give him lots of hugs. It helps.

            • 3 votes
            #20.1 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:23 PM EST
            chefaz-1319563

            Kevin, I just tried to go to your second story and it is telling me there is no page. What's going on???

              #20.2 - Sat Nov 13, 2010 12:43 AM EST
              Acapulco Kevin

              @chefaz-1319563

              I usually remove stories that do not have much traffic or interest from my readers.

                #20.3 - Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:23 AM EST
                chefaz-1319563

                Oh, I'm surprised that it didn't get the attention that it should have. Please don't let it deter you, Kevin.

                  #20.4 - Sat Nov 13, 2010 11:10 AM EST
                  Reply
                  embarrassedtobehere

                  Your story was a great read. I won't support a boycott of Amazon though. I don't care how butt hurt someone is over a topic, I still consider freedom of speech as a higher concern.

                    Reply#21 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:39 PM EST
                    Acapulco Kevin

                    I do not support censorship. I do not think the pervert's book should be illegal. I enjoy the US Constitution the way it is.

                    What bothers me the most about Amazon is that they have a blanket policy against pornography and defended selling a book about sodomizing underage boys.

                    I have read almost all of it now and i find it very disturbing that the man who wrote it is free to roam neighborhoods. Everyone around him is in danger, he has a very sick mind and is most definitely looking for a victim. He also has given the topic much thought, I will bet money that he already has a list of past victims. Now he wants to teach the world how he got away with it.

                    • 3 votes
                    #21.1 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:09 PM EST
                    LilacDragonfly76

                    Now he wants to teach the world how he got away with it.

                    What a terrifying thought...but for what other purpose could he have written it? NONE!

                    • 2 votes
                    #21.2 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:21 PM EST
                    embarrassedtobehere

                    If you read his book, you will learn what others know or learned. Knowing your enemy is a good thing in this case.

                      #21.3 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:02 AM EST
                      Acapulco Kevin

                      @embarrassedtobehere

                      Actually I read most of it and was very disturbed. No one needs to know how to put a condom on a child. There is nothing of value in the book for a normal family or person.

                      Parents need to teach children that when an older person tries to be their friend they must tell there parents. There are circumstances when older people are very good in a child's life and the parents would be aware of the adult.

                      When it is a secret relationship, it is most often grooming for a sexually abusive relationship.

                      Often when children have been abused they eventually become their own abuser in time. Bad relationships, leading a gay life when they are not really gay, being detached.

                      I have lived a very confused and frustrating life. My situation was a bit more extreme with the suicide and abuse of my mother but I was a victim of sexual predators until I was in my early 20's.

                      • 1 vote
                      #21.4 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:26 AM EST
                      Kori

                      21.3: If you read his book, you will learn what others know or learned. Knowing your enemy is a good thing in this case.

                      Completely disagree. In the spirit of safety, protection, and empowerment, parents need to know how to discuss with their children recognizing inappropriate manipulation (as Kevin says, grooming) and touching; to encourage their children to tell his/her parent if anyone does or says anything inappropriate or tries to "buy" their time; to stay with a group; avoid strangers including those who try to lure you close to their car or with the lost dog story, etc. There is lots of info on the web to help parents talk to their children about this topic and prepare them for potential realities.

                      Kids often think these things will never happen to him/her - well they do and way too often. Parents are very naieve in that mentality too. To help my daughter prepare for living in the real world, we would sometimes read the newspaper together and I would point out articles where a child was abducted or later found, and the circumstances that occurred. We discussed a variety of other articles where teens, young adults encountered troubling circumstances that could have been avoided with better thinking and less impulsiveness. I told her the only time I ever wanted to see her name in the paper was when she did something really fabulous and notable, or graduated from high school/college. It was a great opportunity to open up conversations on different topics and she opened up on things she observed in her world as well.

                      Parents need to make their children's safety from potential predators a #1 priority and establish a good, honest dialog/rapport with their children.

                      • 3 votes
                      #21.5 - Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:02 AM EST
                      Reply
                      Levi777

                      I know that at least twice he was reported to the FBI. I hope they tear the roof off of his world, and bring all out into the daylight, and proceed accordingly.

                      • 3 votes
                      Reply#22 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:14 AM EST
                      cookin mama

                      did you see where tyler said he kept banning one of those sickos from here.

                        #22.1 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:25 PM EST
                        James Essayist

                        The more I read these threads - Acapulco's and Arizona's - the more I am distressed and saddened for what they and other posters have been through, and the angrier I get at the bastards who hurt them, the cowards who let it happen, and the mealy-mouthed SOBs who try to justify this behavior.

                        I find myself thinking of suitably painful and mortifying punishments. This is in spite of knowing that certainly some pedos are the product of their genetics and/or abused childhoods, because if they know that they have to hide their actions, if they feel they have to justify it and tell others like them how to dodge consequences, then they know damned well that what they are doing is wrong.

                        • 2 votes
                        #22.2 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:55 PM EST
                        Reply
                        xBADD1x

                        you know this kind of act is unforgivable. to take a child innocence is a Hanish act. Look the criminals in prison, they have a written code.you get convicted as a child molester. your days are numbered. justice served

                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#23 - Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:33 AM EST
                        PJ Stuart

                        Hi Kevin, as you see by the date, you have since been banned and my hope is that you will be back to read this very soon.

                        I was an abuse victim. It has affected my entire life. It's hard to trust. Love. Believe. Or even care. I have truly loved exactly one person in my life. That is an emotion I don't give away. Too many people will use it, abuse it and take you apart.

                        I want to scream, cuss, hit things, as I sit here feeling your pain.

                        I so want the best for you. I want you to find peace. I want you to feel real happiness. You have suffered beyond the imaginable. The trouble is, you will always carry it with you no matter what you do; your parents and others stole your life. I know the feeling. I hope they rot.

                        If you ever get to read this; welcome back! So many of us have missed you and find you to be a great asset to our lives on NV.

                        I write this hoping for one thing...the return of Kevin, so we, as a community, can care for him and be his family.

                          Reply#24 - Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:52 AM EST
                          Elaine-1503791

                          I write this hoping for one thing...the return of Kevin, so we, as a community, can care for him and be his family.

                          I wish that too PJ.

                          Thank you for sharing your thoughts and feelings. We were already NV friends, but I appreciate you even more.

                          • 1 vote
                          #24.1 - Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:39 PM EST
                          bitemore

                          #24: I write this hoping for one thing...the return of Kevin, so we, as a community, can care for him and be his family.

                          Sadly, banning is permanent, and I don't know of staff ever relenting. In Kevin's case, I wish they would relent, but Kevin can read the comments, even if he cannot reply. I hope he knows he still has friends here.

                          Elaine: did you see how our comments about Kevin on fxgillis' column were deleted as being "off-topic?" Sigh. His article was about a banned person... albeit a different one, but our comments were close to the topic... anyway, thank you for having posted those links and I was able to check out one of them before the comments were deleted.

                          I think I'll just go read a book for awhile... the Vine is becoming a depressing place all of a sudden.

                          • 1 vote
                          #24.2 - Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:26 PM EST
                          cookin mama

                          Hey bitey and elaine he was banned for having 2 acct. It was stated that he used the 2nd acct. to vote up his articles and seeds. I am sorry about his sister passing and his meltdown. He has been through so much .

                            #24.3 - Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:32 PM EST
                            Elaine-1503791

                            Bitey, thank you. I wasn't sure if you got to see the comment before it was deleted. That kind of suprised me, it's the second time he's deleted my comment and closed the article for comments. I honestly don't understand. The first time it was because of me too. Then I saw the article was reopened but didn't comment until I saw you there. I really can't understand it but alot of strange things seem to be happening here that I don't understand. I've pulled out a favorite book myself. I guess great minds think alike as the old saying goes!

                              #24.4 - Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:33 PM EST
                              bitemore

                              #24.4: I've pulled out a favorite book myself. I guess great minds think alike as the old saying goes!

                              I guess! Actually, I'm reading an ebook on my new iPad. I discovered all the L. Frank Baum "Oz" books for free... about a dozen books in all - I read them over and over when I was a kid (in 3rd grade), and by the time I got to about 6th grade the books had disappeared from the libraries. I have spent a lifetime looking for the darned things ("The Wonderful Wizard of Oz" was written in 1900 - most of the books are out of print and have been for decades). So, you can just imagine my delight at finding them all, for free, as ebooks. So, that's what I'm reading.

                              #24.3: Hey bitey and elaine he was banned for having 2 acct.

                              I know about that second account. I was under the impression that he opened #2 while he was suspended. But, in any event, his story is a heart-breaker, and I really liked the guy.

                              I doubt that I will ever again leave a comment on one of fxgillis' articles or seeds.

                              • 2 votes
                              #24.5 - Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:15 PM EST
                              Elaine-1503791

                              I'm reading Sscott's book (S Scott Yapp) "The Shift", it's a thriller and I'm really enjoying it. I won't be visiting fxgillis' articles either, and only did this time because Mike L. was a NV friend, and still is on FB.

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                              #24.6 - Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:33 PM EST
                              cookin mama

                              elaine mike is on that other place also.

                                #24.7 - Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:18 PM EST
                                Elaine-1503791

                                Hey cookin! How's everything with you? I'm on the other place too.

                                  #24.8 - Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:05 AM EST
                                  PJ Stuart

                                  Elaine- Thanks, I KNOW he made some mistakes, but so have I...maybe, not his particular ones, but when you hurt like this, it's so hard to stay stable and centered. I just thought I he didn't lose all of us, maybe he might heal a bit. Just having that acknowledgement from friends on NV seemed to boost his spirits and make him feel not so alone. Glad we're friends :)

                                  bitey- (may I? I feel I 'know' you well enough now?) This whole thing has really gotten to me with Kev being banned...I wanted to join you in OZ! I liked him, too. I don't feel as if he was being all the things that some have said. Glad we're friends :)

                                  cookin mama- Hi, I meant to send a FR after 'meeting you on henry's post...I will now, hope you'll accept...

                                  I found his blog, already chatted with him on email...glad for the message he wrote...I hope tyler will reconsider. I believe he deserves another chance. But with all the craziness tyler has to deal with, I wouldn't blame him if he said 'no'. Just be sad and try and keep in touch other ways.

                                  What's 'the other place'? Or is it 'not to be named' here? I feel like visiting 'another place'; is it calm, peaceful and fun? Or is it a place that you have to worry about expressing your REAL opinions? LOL...and Cry Out Loud!

                                    #24.9 - Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:49 AM EST
                                    bitemore

                                    #24.9: bitey- (may I? I feel I 'know' you well enough now?) This whole thing has really gotten to me with Kev being banned...I wanted to join you in OZ! I liked him, too. I don't feel as if he was being all the things that some have said. Glad we're friends :)

                                    Hi, PJ... you are echoing what I've been saying a lot, lately. I have a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach because this banning thing has gotten way out of hand. I stop and think, now, before making a friend request because I don't know how many more friends I can tolerate losing to the Ban Gods.

                                    I think that, for the moment, I'm gonna have some breakfast and get back to Oz. At least the endings are always happy, there. The ebooks are free, so download them and join me!

                                      #24.10 - Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:23 AM EST
                                      PJ Stuart

                                      Thanks...I already have, it's happy endings for me, as well...it is so hard to lose these friends AND it makes me begin to worry about everything I say. That isn't a very comfortable place for me, not at all...

                                      See you in OZ, have a great Holiday and DON'T you dare get banned!

                                      PJ

                                        #24.11 - Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:33 AM EST
                                        bitemore

                                        #24.11: See you in OZ, have a great Holiday and DON'T you dare get banned!

                                        Have a happy holiday yourself, have fun in Oz, and I'll try hard not to get banned!

                                        {{{{{PJ}}}}}

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                                        #24.12 - Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:14 AM EST
                                        James Essayist

                                        Just ran across a short story by Frank Baum called "A Kidnapped Santa Claus".

                                        See www.aesopsfables.com

                                          #24.13 - Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:27 PM EST
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                                          Decurion_505

                                          Kevin, you went through so hard a patch that most wouldn't want to imagine and I can't say I thank you for sharing it with me. But I reckon you had to get it off your chest, and doing that here took a yard o' guts. I admire that.

                                          Amazon's defense of this is beyond the pale. A book such as this is purely an encouragement to criminal behavior by those who, in many cases, are diagnosed as mentally ill and shielded from the full effect of the law by "diminished capacity" . Why in the world would any rational business in the world do something so stupid as attempt to sell such encouragement? Amazon, pull this @!$%# before we find out that your majority shareholder is NAMBLA, you @!$%#heads!

                                            Reply#25 - Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:40 PM EST
                                            James Essayist

                                            Decurion - they did pull that title at least, and he's the one who's been arrested in Colorado for selling a copy to undercovers in Florida.

                                            • 2 votes
                                            #25.1 - Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:46 PM EST
                                            PJ Stuart

                                            Best news I have in all day!

                                              #25.2 - Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:50 AM EST
                                              cookin mama

                                              PJ sent you an email.

                                                #25.3 - Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:23 AM EST
                                                PJ Stuart

                                                Hey Cookin' Mama...so sorry! I must have missed it, checking right now. If you don't hear from me please re-send and THANKS!

                                                  #25.4 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:01 PM EST
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